. 468 for more detail Moreover, even with a loss of 15-20 mps velocity, the Iowa's guns are still more than sufficiently to penetrate the Vanguard's belt by a good 4" at 20k yards, and at 25k should still be favored, compared to the Vanguard that only gets 10" of belt (or 4 and change deck) at 25k. It had a tactical diameter (distance covered by a ship while turning 180 degrees) of 814 yards. HMS Vanguard (23) a British Battleship was being built late into the fighting of World War 2 (1939-1945) and when the war in Europe ended in May of 1945, the decision was made to complete her in case the war in the Pacific (against the Empire of Japan) dragged on into 1946. Bismarck of course had by then automatic torpedo dodge set to by the rudder hit. However, like all trade-offs, it's a trade-off. I'll be waiting. Iowa vs Vanguard Since these types of threads always seem to be popular, what would be the outcome if an Iowa and the HMS Vanguard for some reason crossed swords, one on one? HMS Vanguard (BB-1940) Back to Commonwealth Ships List . Quote? Vanguard was 1025 yards, while Yamato was 640 meters. Wait, are we assuming that the Vanguard vs. Iowa at the same time period? 8) circa 1942 then? There's bad weather and then there's even worse weather I guess. It's one side of the same coin as far as i'm concerned. I really doubt they had it during the postwar period.Speaking specificaly about Essex class carriers, a portion of their electronics outfit was dedicated to countermeasures during the war. Width: 108/108 feet. And the Americans can buy the Mk 10 FCT, the British are starved for cash after the war. Green water over the forward turrets sounds worst. a magnificent sight that few of us will ever forget”. Heavier turret armor, slightly faster speed (although not as important during heavy seas), and bigger gun armament. And funnily enough the guns on the Iowa are new, because the ship hadn't seen service yet. Realistically, this fight is going to happen at sub-20k yards, at which point both sides can hurt each other and can keep firing when Iowa would be silenced (at the loss of three turrets). Let's also not forget that in both cases those attacks took place at night, or that in the case of the Bismarck her crew was exhausted and her maneuverability was shot. I'm assuming that's the case, otherwise it wouldn't be fair at all. Granted, i'll own up to the fact that it indeed isn't specifically the same thing. Who would win? Anything could happen, of course.A North Atlantic engagement may favour Vanguard but a Pacific one would certainly favour Iowa.As I did before in the thread about "Bismarck and her contemporaries" I will first quote Mr. Chuck Hawks from whom I posted a lot of previous quotes. The Renown still engaged and exchanged fire with the German ships did it not? It involved an indicator that the target was changing course, a history of previous course changes, operator input, and only then the calculation on the predicted enemy maneuvering.

The Iowa was fairly maneuverable.

As for the action at Surigao---not only were the Japanese hampered by the terrain, but also had inferior fire-controls to work with.I say it could really go either way depending upon the circumstances of the battle, but I feel like the majority of duels between these ships would go the Iowa's way.

Which means it would penetrate between 15.5 and 17.6" of British plate depending on what quality factor you want to believe. Load Deep: 52250 tons/58400 tons. If an Iowa really, really had to, it could stop dead in the water from full flank speed in Prior to the designation ESM, it was referred to as "Passive ECM". Pretty much the same as Richelieu.
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. 468 for more detail Moreover, even with a loss of 15-20 mps velocity, the Iowa's guns are still more than sufficiently to penetrate the Vanguard's belt by a good 4" at 20k yards, and at 25k should still be favored, compared to the Vanguard that only gets 10" of belt (or 4 and change deck) at 25k. It had a tactical diameter (distance covered by a ship while turning 180 degrees) of 814 yards. HMS Vanguard (23) a British Battleship was being built late into the fighting of World War 2 (1939-1945) and when the war in Europe ended in May of 1945, the decision was made to complete her in case the war in the Pacific (against the Empire of Japan) dragged on into 1946. Bismarck of course had by then automatic torpedo dodge set to by the rudder hit. However, like all trade-offs, it's a trade-off. I'll be waiting. Iowa vs Vanguard Since these types of threads always seem to be popular, what would be the outcome if an Iowa and the HMS Vanguard for some reason crossed swords, one on one? HMS Vanguard (BB-1940) Back to Commonwealth Ships List . Quote? Vanguard was 1025 yards, while Yamato was 640 meters. Wait, are we assuming that the Vanguard vs. Iowa at the same time period? 8) circa 1942 then? There's bad weather and then there's even worse weather I guess. It's one side of the same coin as far as i'm concerned. I really doubt they had it during the postwar period.Speaking specificaly about Essex class carriers, a portion of their electronics outfit was dedicated to countermeasures during the war. Width: 108/108 feet. And the Americans can buy the Mk 10 FCT, the British are starved for cash after the war. Green water over the forward turrets sounds worst. a magnificent sight that few of us will ever forget”. Heavier turret armor, slightly faster speed (although not as important during heavy seas), and bigger gun armament. And funnily enough the guns on the Iowa are new, because the ship hadn't seen service yet. Realistically, this fight is going to happen at sub-20k yards, at which point both sides can hurt each other and can keep firing when Iowa would be silenced (at the loss of three turrets). Let's also not forget that in both cases those attacks took place at night, or that in the case of the Bismarck her crew was exhausted and her maneuverability was shot. I'm assuming that's the case, otherwise it wouldn't be fair at all. Granted, i'll own up to the fact that it indeed isn't specifically the same thing. Who would win? Anything could happen, of course.A North Atlantic engagement may favour Vanguard but a Pacific one would certainly favour Iowa.As I did before in the thread about "Bismarck and her contemporaries" I will first quote Mr. Chuck Hawks from whom I posted a lot of previous quotes. The Renown still engaged and exchanged fire with the German ships did it not? It involved an indicator that the target was changing course, a history of previous course changes, operator input, and only then the calculation on the predicted enemy maneuvering.

The Iowa was fairly maneuverable.

As for the action at Surigao---not only were the Japanese hampered by the terrain, but also had inferior fire-controls to work with.I say it could really go either way depending upon the circumstances of the battle, but I feel like the majority of duels between these ships would go the Iowa's way.

Which means it would penetrate between 15.5 and 17.6" of British plate depending on what quality factor you want to believe. Load Deep: 52250 tons/58400 tons. If an Iowa really, really had to, it could stop dead in the water from full flank speed in Prior to the designation ESM, it was referred to as "Passive ECM". Pretty much the same as Richelieu.
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. 468 for more detail Moreover, even with a loss of 15-20 mps velocity, the Iowa's guns are still more than sufficiently to penetrate the Vanguard's belt by a good 4" at 20k yards, and at 25k should still be favored, compared to the Vanguard that only gets 10" of belt (or 4 and change deck) at 25k. It had a tactical diameter (distance covered by a ship while turning 180 degrees) of 814 yards. HMS Vanguard (23) a British Battleship was being built late into the fighting of World War 2 (1939-1945) and when the war in Europe ended in May of 1945, the decision was made to complete her in case the war in the Pacific (against the Empire of Japan) dragged on into 1946. Bismarck of course had by then automatic torpedo dodge set to by the rudder hit. However, like all trade-offs, it's a trade-off. I'll be waiting. Iowa vs Vanguard Since these types of threads always seem to be popular, what would be the outcome if an Iowa and the HMS Vanguard for some reason crossed swords, one on one? HMS Vanguard (BB-1940) Back to Commonwealth Ships List . Quote? Vanguard was 1025 yards, while Yamato was 640 meters. Wait, are we assuming that the Vanguard vs. Iowa at the same time period? 8) circa 1942 then? There's bad weather and then there's even worse weather I guess. It's one side of the same coin as far as i'm concerned. I really doubt they had it during the postwar period.Speaking specificaly about Essex class carriers, a portion of their electronics outfit was dedicated to countermeasures during the war. Width: 108/108 feet. And the Americans can buy the Mk 10 FCT, the British are starved for cash after the war. Green water over the forward turrets sounds worst. a magnificent sight that few of us will ever forget”. Heavier turret armor, slightly faster speed (although not as important during heavy seas), and bigger gun armament. And funnily enough the guns on the Iowa are new, because the ship hadn't seen service yet. Realistically, this fight is going to happen at sub-20k yards, at which point both sides can hurt each other and can keep firing when Iowa would be silenced (at the loss of three turrets). Let's also not forget that in both cases those attacks took place at night, or that in the case of the Bismarck her crew was exhausted and her maneuverability was shot. I'm assuming that's the case, otherwise it wouldn't be fair at all. Granted, i'll own up to the fact that it indeed isn't specifically the same thing. Who would win? Anything could happen, of course.A North Atlantic engagement may favour Vanguard but a Pacific one would certainly favour Iowa.As I did before in the thread about "Bismarck and her contemporaries" I will first quote Mr. Chuck Hawks from whom I posted a lot of previous quotes. The Renown still engaged and exchanged fire with the German ships did it not? It involved an indicator that the target was changing course, a history of previous course changes, operator input, and only then the calculation on the predicted enemy maneuvering.

The Iowa was fairly maneuverable.

As for the action at Surigao---not only were the Japanese hampered by the terrain, but also had inferior fire-controls to work with.I say it could really go either way depending upon the circumstances of the battle, but I feel like the majority of duels between these ships would go the Iowa's way.

Which means it would penetrate between 15.5 and 17.6" of British plate depending on what quality factor you want to believe. Load Deep: 52250 tons/58400 tons. If an Iowa really, really had to, it could stop dead in the water from full flank speed in Prior to the designation ESM, it was referred to as "Passive ECM". Pretty much the same as Richelieu.
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. 468 for more detail Moreover, even with a loss of 15-20 mps velocity, the Iowa's guns are still more than sufficiently to penetrate the Vanguard's belt by a good 4" at 20k yards, and at 25k should still be favored, compared to the Vanguard that only gets 10" of belt (or 4 and change deck) at 25k. It had a tactical diameter (distance covered by a ship while turning 180 degrees) of 814 yards. HMS Vanguard (23) a British Battleship was being built late into the fighting of World War 2 (1939-1945) and when the war in Europe ended in May of 1945, the decision was made to complete her in case the war in the Pacific (against the Empire of Japan) dragged on into 1946. Bismarck of course had by then automatic torpedo dodge set to by the rudder hit. However, like all trade-offs, it's a trade-off. I'll be waiting. Iowa vs Vanguard Since these types of threads always seem to be popular, what would be the outcome if an Iowa and the HMS Vanguard for some reason crossed swords, one on one? HMS Vanguard (BB-1940) Back to Commonwealth Ships List . Quote? Vanguard was 1025 yards, while Yamato was 640 meters. Wait, are we assuming that the Vanguard vs. Iowa at the same time period? 8) circa 1942 then? There's bad weather and then there's even worse weather I guess. It's one side of the same coin as far as i'm concerned. I really doubt they had it during the postwar period.Speaking specificaly about Essex class carriers, a portion of their electronics outfit was dedicated to countermeasures during the war. Width: 108/108 feet. And the Americans can buy the Mk 10 FCT, the British are starved for cash after the war. Green water over the forward turrets sounds worst. a magnificent sight that few of us will ever forget”. Heavier turret armor, slightly faster speed (although not as important during heavy seas), and bigger gun armament. And funnily enough the guns on the Iowa are new, because the ship hadn't seen service yet. Realistically, this fight is going to happen at sub-20k yards, at which point both sides can hurt each other and can keep firing when Iowa would be silenced (at the loss of three turrets). Let's also not forget that in both cases those attacks took place at night, or that in the case of the Bismarck her crew was exhausted and her maneuverability was shot. I'm assuming that's the case, otherwise it wouldn't be fair at all. Granted, i'll own up to the fact that it indeed isn't specifically the same thing. Who would win? Anything could happen, of course.A North Atlantic engagement may favour Vanguard but a Pacific one would certainly favour Iowa.As I did before in the thread about "Bismarck and her contemporaries" I will first quote Mr. Chuck Hawks from whom I posted a lot of previous quotes. The Renown still engaged and exchanged fire with the German ships did it not? It involved an indicator that the target was changing course, a history of previous course changes, operator input, and only then the calculation on the predicted enemy maneuvering.

The Iowa was fairly maneuverable.

As for the action at Surigao---not only were the Japanese hampered by the terrain, but also had inferior fire-controls to work with.I say it could really go either way depending upon the circumstances of the battle, but I feel like the majority of duels between these ships would go the Iowa's way.

Which means it would penetrate between 15.5 and 17.6" of British plate depending on what quality factor you want to believe. Load Deep: 52250 tons/58400 tons. If an Iowa really, really had to, it could stop dead in the water from full flank speed in Prior to the designation ESM, it was referred to as "Passive ECM". Pretty much the same as Richelieu.
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My copy of Battleships: United States Battleships 1935-1992 doesn't have 468 pages. I agree with you that it is a rhetorical question. 85K 10,856 50. Yeah. Yamato was considered to be extremely maneuverable for a battleship, as was Iowa.

Thus at 20k yards the 16/50's penetration using average guns would be c.19" against American plate (which is what they would've tested against). I recall seeing the weight break-down.My job in the US Navy was ESM, which stands for "Electronics Surveillance Measures". Beyond that, the Iowa had longer range guns and with its speed advantage has the ability to control the range.Actually given the seas Iowa had no real speed advantage and Vanguard may well even be faster as she is the more stable ship. I always took the OP as a general discussion request, not a single match in a specific set of circumstances. 52% for Iowa by comparison. A bit more complex than that. It's a bit of a head scratcher since there's direct combat evidence at both Denmark Strait and North Cape showing where BBs could fight despite bad weather.

. 468 for more detail Moreover, even with a loss of 15-20 mps velocity, the Iowa's guns are still more than sufficiently to penetrate the Vanguard's belt by a good 4" at 20k yards, and at 25k should still be favored, compared to the Vanguard that only gets 10" of belt (or 4 and change deck) at 25k. It had a tactical diameter (distance covered by a ship while turning 180 degrees) of 814 yards. HMS Vanguard (23) a British Battleship was being built late into the fighting of World War 2 (1939-1945) and when the war in Europe ended in May of 1945, the decision was made to complete her in case the war in the Pacific (against the Empire of Japan) dragged on into 1946. Bismarck of course had by then automatic torpedo dodge set to by the rudder hit. However, like all trade-offs, it's a trade-off. I'll be waiting. Iowa vs Vanguard Since these types of threads always seem to be popular, what would be the outcome if an Iowa and the HMS Vanguard for some reason crossed swords, one on one? HMS Vanguard (BB-1940) Back to Commonwealth Ships List . Quote? Vanguard was 1025 yards, while Yamato was 640 meters. Wait, are we assuming that the Vanguard vs. Iowa at the same time period? 8) circa 1942 then? There's bad weather and then there's even worse weather I guess. It's one side of the same coin as far as i'm concerned. I really doubt they had it during the postwar period.Speaking specificaly about Essex class carriers, a portion of their electronics outfit was dedicated to countermeasures during the war. Width: 108/108 feet. And the Americans can buy the Mk 10 FCT, the British are starved for cash after the war. Green water over the forward turrets sounds worst. a magnificent sight that few of us will ever forget”. Heavier turret armor, slightly faster speed (although not as important during heavy seas), and bigger gun armament. And funnily enough the guns on the Iowa are new, because the ship hadn't seen service yet. Realistically, this fight is going to happen at sub-20k yards, at which point both sides can hurt each other and can keep firing when Iowa would be silenced (at the loss of three turrets). Let's also not forget that in both cases those attacks took place at night, or that in the case of the Bismarck her crew was exhausted and her maneuverability was shot. I'm assuming that's the case, otherwise it wouldn't be fair at all. Granted, i'll own up to the fact that it indeed isn't specifically the same thing. Who would win? Anything could happen, of course.A North Atlantic engagement may favour Vanguard but a Pacific one would certainly favour Iowa.As I did before in the thread about "Bismarck and her contemporaries" I will first quote Mr. Chuck Hawks from whom I posted a lot of previous quotes. The Renown still engaged and exchanged fire with the German ships did it not? It involved an indicator that the target was changing course, a history of previous course changes, operator input, and only then the calculation on the predicted enemy maneuvering.

The Iowa was fairly maneuverable.

As for the action at Surigao---not only were the Japanese hampered by the terrain, but also had inferior fire-controls to work with.I say it could really go either way depending upon the circumstances of the battle, but I feel like the majority of duels between these ships would go the Iowa's way.

Which means it would penetrate between 15.5 and 17.6" of British plate depending on what quality factor you want to believe. Load Deep: 52250 tons/58400 tons. If an Iowa really, really had to, it could stop dead in the water from full flank speed in Prior to the designation ESM, it was referred to as "Passive ECM". Pretty much the same as Richelieu.


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